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	<title>Comments on: Chloe Marshall: Let&#8217;s be honest&#8230;. she&#8217;s fat.</title>
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		<title>By: Mis-Dee</title>
		<link>http://www.herdwatching.com/2008/03/22/chloe-marshall-lets-be-honest-shes-fat/#comment-193</link>
		<dc:creator>Mis-Dee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 02:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have met Chloe Marshall in real life and she is so radiantly stunning it rendered my speechess - and I&#039;m a straight woman. She is also not even remotely fat. I can&#039;t even imagine why I am bothering to respond to the ignoramous who wrote this article, other than it&#039;s 3am and my neighbours have kept me awake for 3 hours with extremely loud music and I&#039;m bored. Beauty comes in all shapes and sizes and there is room for the entire spectrum in the modelling industry - Everyone shoud be represented, not just a skeletal 1%. The writer of this article will be left behind as people become more enlightened and his or her views will be seen for what they are - a little bit nazi and completely irrelevant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have met Chloe Marshall in real life and she is so radiantly stunning it rendered my speechess &#8211; and I&#039;m a straight woman. She is also not even remotely fat. I can&#039;t even imagine why I am bothering to respond to the ignoramous who wrote this article, other than it&#039;s 3am and my neighbours have kept me awake for 3 hours with extremely loud music and I&#039;m bored. Beauty comes in all shapes and sizes and there is room for the entire spectrum in the modelling industry &#8211; Everyone shoud be represented, not just a skeletal 1%. The writer of this article will be left behind as people become more enlightened and his or her views will be seen for what they are &#8211; a little bit nazi and completely irrelevant.</p>
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		<title>By: BigBeautifulWoman</title>
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		<dc:creator>BigBeautifulWoman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 00:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Average revenge, I think not. But it still doesn&#039;t change the fact that she made it that far. She beat out how many other women to become runner up. Last time I checked, the PUBLIC helped put her there, since that contest IS partially guided by the public. People do think for themselves, and these same people are going out and living their lives with pride, ignoring society&#039;s call for them to fit a certain mold.

Airbrushed isn&#039;t a significant problem??? Wow. And you call ME delusional...

And honestly, what is it with you going against fat people wanting to FEEL GOOD in their own skin? Every person has that right, to feel good in their own skin, to celebrate themselves. Of course, in your world it must be a felony for a fat woman to have self confidence or have people who disagree with your claim that they are too fat to be considered attractive. And you STILL refuse to consider the idea that fat comes in different sizes. There are a considerable amount of people, including myself, who DO NOT SHOW THEIR WEIGHT IN THEIR BODY TYPE. You said it yourself &quot;Between Oprah and Nicole Ritchie, lies a whole world of choices that are hot.&quot;

I am not saying all fat women are good people, nor am I saying all skinny women are bitches, but quite frankly the hatred against fat people is quite tiring. We know we are big as fuck. We hear it from the doctors. We don&#039;t need to hear it from fuckers who obviously have too much time on their hands to go out of their way to remind us that we&#039;re going to lonely and in considerable pain because of the love handles we have. You said that &quot;she is too big to be an honest contender in a beauty pageant.&quot; Reality check: she&#039;s runner up. Nothing you can do about it. The big girl got in and made her way to the top, along with many other fat women in the fashion and advertising industry. Because obviously SOMEBODY finds it attractive. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Average revenge, I think not. But it still doesn&#039;t change the fact that she made it that far. She beat out how many other women to become runner up. Last time I checked, the PUBLIC helped put her there, since that contest IS partially guided by the public. People do think for themselves, and these same people are going out and living their lives with pride, ignoring society&#039;s call for them to fit a certain mold.</p>
<p>Airbrushed isn&#039;t a significant problem??? Wow. And you call ME delusional&#8230;</p>
<p>And honestly, what is it with you going against fat people wanting to FEEL GOOD in their own skin? Every person has that right, to feel good in their own skin, to celebrate themselves. Of course, in your world it must be a felony for a fat woman to have self confidence or have people who disagree with your claim that they are too fat to be considered attractive. And you STILL refuse to consider the idea that fat comes in different sizes. There are a considerable amount of people, including myself, who DO NOT SHOW THEIR WEIGHT IN THEIR BODY TYPE. You said it yourself &quot;Between Oprah and Nicole Ritchie, lies a whole world of choices that are hot.&quot;</p>
<p>I am not saying all fat women are good people, nor am I saying all skinny women are bitches, but quite frankly the hatred against fat people is quite tiring. We know we are big as fuck. We hear it from the doctors. We don&#039;t need to hear it from fuckers who obviously have too much time on their hands to go out of their way to remind us that we&#039;re going to lonely and in considerable pain because of the love handles we have. You said that &quot;she is too big to be an honest contender in a beauty pageant.&quot; Reality check: she&#039;s runner up. Nothing you can do about it. The big girl got in and made her way to the top, along with many other fat women in the fashion and advertising industry. Because obviously SOMEBODY finds it attractive. <img src='http://www.herdwatching.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Soulhuntre</title>
		<link>http://www.herdwatching.com/2008/03/22/chloe-marshall-lets-be-honest-shes-fat/#comment-191</link>
		<dc:creator>Soulhuntre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 21:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it really critical to your worldview that people be victimized sheep that have no ability to think for themselves? Because all this paranoia about &quot;the media&quot; is just that... a way to feel superior that you see the truth when the regular folks are to stupid to get it.

Besides, with the amount of video around these days your dreamign if you think air-brushed still are a significant problem They aren&#039;t.

Your next comment is the most telling... &quot;Yeah, she isn&#039;t the &quot;norm&quot; and quite frankly, it&#039;s about damn time we had someone who wasn&#039;t beat out those who are.&quot;. You have to love the avergae revenge fantasy. Damn right! Put all those girls who didn;t love you in their place. You&#039;ll show them! Who needed a pony anyway!

&quot;There actually ARE people out there who are attracted to overweight people&quot;. Of course their are... social dynamics require it. Not only is it well within the variation for a large population but in any situation where a desirable resource is scarce the majority will find a way to be happy with the sub-optimal.

As for this... &quot;as fat people are the lowest denomination of human&quot; you must not be paying attention. it used to be terrorists but after the last election it is those evil greedy  &quot;capitalists&quot;. Socialism is the new black, baby.

Your own prejudices show here in this comment as well... &quot;So skinny gold diggers are better than a fat girls with a good heart, huh?&quot;. Once again, not only is your own paranoia (the base assertion) wrong but so is your weak attempt at creating a false choice. Not nearly all fat chicks are good people, and not nearly all hot ones are bitches.

I&#039;ll take hot and good hearted thanks :)

&quot;Because this fat girl is more honest than that&quot; - you go right on with your bad self. Fight the power. Desert is a revolutionary act.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it really critical to your worldview that people be victimized sheep that have no ability to think for themselves? Because all this paranoia about &quot;the media&quot; is just that&#8230; a way to feel superior that you see the truth when the regular folks are to stupid to get it.</p>
<p>Besides, with the amount of video around these days your dreamign if you think air-brushed still are a significant problem They aren&#039;t.</p>
<p>Your next comment is the most telling&#8230; &quot;Yeah, she isn&#039;t the &quot;norm&quot; and quite frankly, it&#039;s about damn time we had someone who wasn&#039;t beat out those who are.&quot;. You have to love the avergae revenge fantasy. Damn right! Put all those girls who didn;t love you in their place. You&#039;ll show them! Who needed a pony anyway!</p>
<p>&quot;There actually ARE people out there who are attracted to overweight people&quot;. Of course their are&#8230; social dynamics require it. Not only is it well within the variation for a large population but in any situation where a desirable resource is scarce the majority will find a way to be happy with the sub-optimal.</p>
<p>As for this&#8230; &quot;as fat people are the lowest denomination of human&quot; you must not be paying attention. it used to be terrorists but after the last election it is those evil greedy  &quot;capitalists&quot;. Socialism is the new black, baby.</p>
<p>Your own prejudices show here in this comment as well&#8230; &quot;So skinny gold diggers are better than a fat girls with a good heart, huh?&quot;. Once again, not only is your own paranoia (the base assertion) wrong but so is your weak attempt at creating a false choice. Not nearly all fat chicks are good people, and not nearly all hot ones are bitches.</p>
<p>I&#039;ll take hot and good hearted thanks <img src='http://www.herdwatching.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>&quot;Because this fat girl is more honest than that&quot; &#8211; you go right on with your bad self. Fight the power. Desert is a revolutionary act.</p>
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		<title>By: BigBeautifulWoman</title>
		<link>http://www.herdwatching.com/2008/03/22/chloe-marshall-lets-be-honest-shes-fat/#comment-190</link>
		<dc:creator>BigBeautifulWoman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 02:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes well my dear, with the media disproportionately putting out images of a &quot;norm&quot; that is most of the time created by airbrushing, I would say YEAH, there is some victimhood going on. The tabloids ripped into this young woman, calling her the &quot;fat, lazy poster child for ill health.&quot; Because all fat people are ALWAYS lazy and in bad health, and all skinny people are ALWAYS healthy. PLEASE.

Yeah, she isn&#039;t the &quot;norm&quot; and quite frankly, it&#039;s about damn time we had someone who wasn&#039;t beat out those who are. To say fat people as a whole aren&#039;t attractive is bull. Just as there can be fugly as hell skinny and &quot;normal&quot; size people, there can be beautiful people who are overweight. There actually ARE people out there who are attracted to overweight people, but they are ostracized by society for &quot;lowering their standards,&quot; as fat people are the lowest denomination of human. So skinny gold diggers are better than a fat girls with a good heart, huh?

Also, let us get one thing straight about body types. There are 12 body types to a woman. 12. Meaning fat people can come in various shapes, not just the stereotypical shape of BLOB. Chloe Marshall is one of those folks who DOESN&#039;T fit that blob body type, along with PLENTY of others, including myself. Too overweight to be attractive my fat ASS.

Just as you can be honest about calling out a fat person on their fatness, I&#039;m calling out the bull that skinny is the only beauty. Because this fat girl is more honest than that. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes well my dear, with the media disproportionately putting out images of a &quot;norm&quot; that is most of the time created by airbrushing, I would say YEAH, there is some victimhood going on. The tabloids ripped into this young woman, calling her the &quot;fat, lazy poster child for ill health.&quot; Because all fat people are ALWAYS lazy and in bad health, and all skinny people are ALWAYS healthy. PLEASE.</p>
<p>Yeah, she isn&#039;t the &quot;norm&quot; and quite frankly, it&#039;s about damn time we had someone who wasn&#039;t beat out those who are. To say fat people as a whole aren&#039;t attractive is bull. Just as there can be fugly as hell skinny and &quot;normal&quot; size people, there can be beautiful people who are overweight. There actually ARE people out there who are attracted to overweight people, but they are ostracized by society for &quot;lowering their standards,&quot; as fat people are the lowest denomination of human. So skinny gold diggers are better than a fat girls with a good heart, huh?</p>
<p>Also, let us get one thing straight about body types. There are 12 body types to a woman. 12. Meaning fat people can come in various shapes, not just the stereotypical shape of BLOB. Chloe Marshall is one of those folks who DOESN&#039;T fit that blob body type, along with PLENTY of others, including myself. Too overweight to be attractive my fat ASS.</p>
<p>Just as you can be honest about calling out a fat person on their fatness, I&#039;m calling out the bull that skinny is the only beauty. Because this fat girl is more honest than that. <img src='http://www.herdwatching.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Soulhuntre</title>
		<link>http://www.herdwatching.com/2008/03/22/chloe-marshall-lets-be-honest-shes-fat/#comment-189</link>
		<dc:creator>Soulhuntre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 04:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure why &quot;healthy&quot; is supposed to be the crux of this discussion... but certainly she is not as fit as she could be and while fitness isn&#039;t the same thign as health moment ot moment it is a decent predictor of the trends.

Of course this is what happens when people don&#039;t have the balls to be honest. Lots of guys (and gals) won;t come out and say &quot;fat is simply not attractive to me&quot;. They will try and be sneaky and talk about the health issues. &quot;No honey, I don&#039;t care that you have an ass like a zebra I am just worried about your HEALTH&quot;. That way (they think) they can get the wife to the gym and still come off like a good guy.

I am much more honest than that :)

The NRA fell into the same trap. Instead of saying &quot;guns are important because they let us kill any scumbag who tries to hurt us instead of cowering like sheep till the cops arrive&quot; they got all weepy about &quot;hunting&quot;. The result? Idiocy like the &quot;assault weapons&quot; ban.

So yes, it is quite possible that you can be too overweight to be really attractive but still be healthy (for the moment). Good for you, I hope you have a long and healthy life filled with joy.

By the way this whole idea that &quot;Oh, but that&#039;s right, we can&#039;t let folks know that&quot; like there is some vast conspiracy is just paranoia and wallowing in the joy of perceived victim hood.

As for your last comment? I actually think she got that far for political and publicity reasons. Hell, I&#039;m surprised they had the guts to not give her the crown.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m not sure why &quot;healthy&quot; is supposed to be the crux of this discussion&#8230; but certainly she is not as fit as she could be and while fitness isn&#039;t the same thign as health moment ot moment it is a decent predictor of the trends.</p>
<p>Of course this is what happens when people don&#039;t have the balls to be honest. Lots of guys (and gals) won;t come out and say &quot;fat is simply not attractive to me&quot;. They will try and be sneaky and talk about the health issues. &quot;No honey, I don&#039;t care that you have an ass like a zebra I am just worried about your HEALTH&quot;. That way (they think) they can get the wife to the gym and still come off like a good guy.</p>
<p>I am much more honest than that <img src='http://www.herdwatching.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The NRA fell into the same trap. Instead of saying &quot;guns are important because they let us kill any scumbag who tries to hurt us instead of cowering like sheep till the cops arrive&quot; they got all weepy about &quot;hunting&quot;. The result? Idiocy like the &quot;assault weapons&quot; ban.</p>
<p>So yes, it is quite possible that you can be too overweight to be really attractive but still be healthy (for the moment). Good for you, I hope you have a long and healthy life filled with joy.</p>
<p>By the way this whole idea that &quot;Oh, but that&#039;s right, we can&#039;t let folks know that&quot; like there is some vast conspiracy is just paranoia and wallowing in the joy of perceived victim hood.</p>
<p>As for your last comment? I actually think she got that far for political and publicity reasons. Hell, I&#039;m surprised they had the guts to not give her the crown.</p>
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		<title>By: BigBeautifulWoman</title>
		<link>http://www.herdwatching.com/2008/03/22/chloe-marshall-lets-be-honest-shes-fat/#comment-188</link>
		<dc:creator>BigBeautifulWoman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 03:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You CAN be healthy without being skinny. Believe it or not, there ARE people who are considered overweight and they are healthy in all other regards. And I&#039;m not talking about the bodybuilders. I&#039;m talkin about folks with jiggle who are absolutely healthy. It happens, because I&#039;m one of them. 5&#039;4&quot;, 210 pounds and every single doctors test came back N-O-R-M-A-L.

Oh, but that&#039;s right, we can&#039;t let folks know that. We have to keep up the facade that fat people are slobs and blobs of flesh ALONE. Please. Fat people are active too. Don&#039;t believe the hype.

And the woman got THAT FAR in a BEAUTY pagent. Meaning she had more to her than just her weight to keep her in. You make it seem that just because of her weight, she shouldn&#039;t be considered beautiful. Obviously the judges saw more to her than just that one number.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You CAN be healthy without being skinny. Believe it or not, there ARE people who are considered overweight and they are healthy in all other regards. And I&#039;m not talking about the bodybuilders. I&#039;m talkin about folks with jiggle who are absolutely healthy. It happens, because I&#039;m one of them. 5&#039;4&quot;, 210 pounds and every single doctors test came back N-O-R-M-A-L.</p>
<p>Oh, but that&#039;s right, we can&#039;t let folks know that. We have to keep up the facade that fat people are slobs and blobs of flesh ALONE. Please. Fat people are active too. Don&#039;t believe the hype.</p>
<p>And the woman got THAT FAR in a BEAUTY pagent. Meaning she had more to her than just her weight to keep her in. You make it seem that just because of her weight, she shouldn&#039;t be considered beautiful. Obviously the judges saw more to her than just that one number.</p>
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		<title>By: Soulhuntre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Soulhuntre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 22:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it amusing that you will talk about the need to avoid these sort of flat definitions then ask me to read a piece of tripe so filled with anger and bile it can barely see straight. That little bit of heaven over at &quot;abbyheartsmusic&quot; for those who don&#039;t want to go read it is your classic &quot;aren&#039;t pretty girls stupid, shallow and mean!&quot; routine.

Even your comment shows a complete lack of the shades of Grey you seem to want to instill in us. Obviously the only people who are thin, trim or toned are going to &quot;kill themselves for a barbie doll perfection&quot;... I mean, we all know the only mentally healthy and balanced people are the chunky ones, right?

Please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it amusing that you will talk about the need to avoid these sort of flat definitions then ask me to read a piece of tripe so filled with anger and bile it can barely see straight. That little bit of heaven over at &quot;abbyheartsmusic&quot; for those who don&#039;t want to go read it is your classic &quot;aren&#039;t pretty girls stupid, shallow and mean!&quot; routine.</p>
<p>Even your comment shows a complete lack of the shades of Grey you seem to want to instill in us. Obviously the only people who are thin, trim or toned are going to &quot;kill themselves for a barbie doll perfection&quot;&#8230; I mean, we all know the only mentally healthy and balanced people are the chunky ones, right?</p>
<p>Please.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura Paige</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura Paige</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 20:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s kind of sad how we feel the need to define ourselves with one word. Fat, Skinny, Punk, Prep, Black, White. It&#039;s all an excuse not to get to know the person. Honestly, I thought this article was really immature, and came off as really jealous sounding. Honestly, dear, were you even in the running? I tend to doubt it.
Honestly, I&#039;d rather my children be looking up envying her rather than women who would rather kill themselves for a barbie doll perfection. Face it. Unless you come in a plastic box, your not going to be perfect.  If you could do me a favor, I&#039;d really like you to read this article. Maybe it will open your eyes.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.imeem.com/abbyheartsmusic/blogs/2008/05/29/TbCpkEo5/pieces-of-you-by-walter-kirn&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.imeem.com/abbyheartsmusic/blogs/2008/0...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#039;s kind of sad how we feel the need to define ourselves with one word. Fat, Skinny, Punk, Prep, Black, White. It&#039;s all an excuse not to get to know the person. Honestly, I thought this article was really immature, and came off as really jealous sounding. Honestly, dear, were you even in the running? I tend to doubt it.<br />
Honestly, I&#039;d rather my children be looking up envying her rather than women who would rather kill themselves for a barbie doll perfection. Face it. Unless you come in a plastic box, your not going to be perfect.  If you could do me a favor, I&#039;d really like you to read this article. Maybe it will open your eyes.<br />
<a href="http://www.imeem.com/abbyheartsmusic/blogs/2008/05/29/TbCpkEo5/pieces-of-you-by-walter-kirn" rel="nofollow">http://www.imeem.com/abbyheartsmusic/blogs/2008/0&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: jimbob</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimbob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 13:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pretty face,great curves, seems like a good laugh. Any red blooded bloke would!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty face,great curves, seems like a good laugh. Any red blooded bloke would!</p>
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		<title>By: soulhuntre</title>
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		<dc:creator>soulhuntre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She is kind of pretty facially. I can see where she might be attractive if she worked at it.

You are right obviously - there are a lot of women shaped like her out there (kind of, in many of her other pictures you can see that she is, in fact, rather large). The thing is that whether or not she is &quot;average&quot; doesn&#039;t have anything to do with whether or not she is fat or attractive. It just means lots of folks are fat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She is kind of pretty facially. I can see where she might be attractive if she worked at it.</p>
<p>You are right obviously &#8211; there are a lot of women shaped like her out there (kind of, in many of her other pictures you can see that she is, in fact, rather large). The thing is that whether or not she is &#8220;average&#8221; doesn&#8217;t have anything to do with whether or not she is fat or attractive. It just means lots of folks are fat.</p>
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